Interview with Atiq RahimiUnable to Move Forward
Mr Rahimi, you have always placed your hopes in the political reconstruction of Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban and supported this process. Yet now, shortly before the withdrawal of Western troops, it is apparent that the Afghan government is clearly far too weak to take control of the whole country. The Taliban currently has more power than it did before. How do you see Afghanistan's political future?
Atiq Rahimi: It is not yet certain that all foreign troops will leave Afghanistan in 2014. As far as I know, US President Obama's most recent proposal was for part of the military to remain. The subject of Afghanistan is regrettably fraught with a great deal of pain and suffering. Neither the Afghans nor the West took advantage of the opportunity we had 11 years ago.
Do you mean the Afghan people or the Afghan government?
Rahimi: The Karzai government was only concerned with securing its own power and with personal enrichment. However, nothing was done for the people of Afghanistan.
There are other aspects to this as well. Some aid organizations that came to Afghanistan for the reconstruction just threw a lot of stuff at the Afghans instead of teaching them how to do things. As a result, the Afghans got too comfortable.
Then there are the neighbouring countries like Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia, which are engaged in economic and political conflicts with Europe and America. So they too had very little interest in seeing any improvement in the situation in Afghanistan, either by Afghanistan becoming an autonomous democratic country, or in there being peace there. Why? Because these countries – above all Iran and Pakistan – profit from this nightmarish situation.
In addition, you have Pakistan's confrontation with India. This conflict is being fought out in Afghanistan. China is currently grappling economically with the United States. This trial of strength is also taking place in Afghanistan. The Chinese leadership knows that political failure in Afghanistan signifies serious economic disadvantages for the Americans and the Europeans.
Today, China is making its presence clearly felt in Afghanistan: after the discovery of new copper mines, the first contracts were concluded with the Chinese. In this situation, Afghanistan is clearly of use to all other countries, just not to itself and its people.
Do you believe that it's even possible to find a political solution to all of Afghanistan's many problems?
Rahimi: This past year, we have witnessed the political processes taking place in the Arab countries. These took place first on an intellectual level and then on a broader basis. But ultimately, they have not led to any result so far. It was expected that a social revolution would follow the political one. But today more than ever, we need a cultural revolution more than a political or economic one. On this level, compared to the rest of the world, we remain backward.
How, in your opinion, can this backwardness be overcome?
Rahimi: That's a difficult question. Whether we like it or not, it will take a long time to make these changes. The differences that exist between East and West, between Muslim and Christian countries, have nothing to do with the progress of technology. The differences are of a cultural nature.
I'm not saying that one culture is better or the other worse. The problem is that our culture can't keep pace with current developments. But what could be the solution? A first step would be to question the culture in which we live. As long as we refuse to acknowledge that there is a huge gulf between our culture and others around the world, we won't be in a position to solve our problems. Does that mean orientating ourselves solely towards the West? No, that would certainly be the wrong approach.
We always think that progress and democracy are Western achievements. We think that the humanistic belief, which developed in the West, is quintessentially a Western one. But that is not the case; the whole of humanity contributed to this achievement.
If the East hadn't achieved what it did up until the age of the Renaissance in scientific, cultural and intellectual terms, the West would never have been in a position to experience the Renaissance. The East created the basis for it and the West continued this progressive development.
How else were China, India and Japan, which were neither Christian nor Western, in a position to accommodate modern developments? They have all succeeded in retaining their cultural individuality while continuing to develop.
They were able to do this because they managed to scrutinize themselves and their systems. They thought about the meaning of human rights, humanity, and the individual. But until we are in a position to develop the idea of individuality, we won't achieve anything. Why? Because it is only when we have individuality that it is possible for one individual to criticize another and allow individual freedom.
Our Afghan culture, however, is based on community and society; there's no place within it for the individual. The individual only has a role to play in connection with family and clan; the individual does not exist for himself alone. And as long as the individual as such does not exist, there will be no freedom and no democracy either – regardless of who invests in the country and in the people, because the basis of a democratic idea is the right of the individual. If the individual has no rights or freedoms, this deprives democracy of its foundations.
Interview conducted by Shikiba Babori
© Qantara.de 2012
The writer and documentary film-maker Atiq Rahimi left Afghanistan at the age of 20. He has lived in France ever since. He studied literature at the University of Kabul and went on to gain a PhD in audiovisual communication at the Sorbonne in Paris. In 2008, he was awarded France's most prestigious literary prize, the Prix Goncourt, for his novel The Patience Stone.
Translated from the German by Charlotte Collins
Editor: Aingeal Flanagan/Qantara.de